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lilphatts
Sep. 4th, 2008 01:45 pm (UTC)
Look at the church Obama belonged to.
eriktrips
Sep. 4th, 2008 02:30 pm (UTC)
yeah. they were upset about systemic racism in america. as far as I know, they weren't interested in taking over the world, making sure women had no access to birth control, and stripping lgbtq people of any rights we've gained so far.

not to mention all the end-of-the-world stuff that they are trying to make into a self-fulfilling prophecy by starting as many conflagrations in the middle east as possible.
touch_of_gray
Sep. 4th, 2008 02:04 pm (UTC)
Obama's church was not Dominionist, tho. It had it's issues, but...this is down right scary. McCain gets into office, I may as well hand over a rock so they can start stoning me.
touch_of_gray
Sep. 4th, 2008 02:05 pm (UTC)
And I need to watch my grammar and punctuation, too.
eriktrips
Sep. 4th, 2008 02:30 pm (UTC)
that's right. or grammar nun will rap your knuckles.
nammu
Sep. 4th, 2008 02:39 pm (UTC)
This is scary stuff. Thanks for posting about it, Erik.
eriktrips
Sep. 4th, 2008 02:59 pm (UTC)
you're welcome. I think this is something that needs more light shed on it than the mainstream media are going to offer.
daisydumont
Sep. 4th, 2008 02:40 pm (UTC)
i wish i were sociologist (or psychologist) enough to understand why this is happening, why this woman and her views are what the republican party wants to put forward.

someone in one of that comm's threads mentioned "talibangelists," which hit me as horribly apt.
eriktrips
Sep. 4th, 2008 02:57 pm (UTC)
not too long ago I read somewhere, by somebody at least vaguely qualified to comment on this sort of thing (maybe a psychologist or sociologist or something like that), the theory that a certain percentage of "the population" (I don't know if this was a universal statement about all humans or just Western ones) is made up of people with an "authoritarian" personality, and who either try to become or try to follow anyone with charisma, power, and seeming authority. I think the theory was that the ever-swinging pendulum of Western politics has these sorts of people coming to power every now and again and we get things like Dominionism, Islamic Extremism, and even Stalinism.

I think "totalitarian personality" might be more apt, but either way, it would account for some of why we swing towards authoritarian politics every so often.

Edited at 2008-09-04 03:00 pm (UTC)
daisydumont
Sep. 4th, 2008 03:02 pm (UTC)
my mother used to lightly say that she'd welcome "a benevolent despot." now i realize i don't know whether she was kidding. my family was republican in republican indiana.

it does seem true that these cycles occur. sure hope the time is not now for more totalitarianism. i'd like to see a break from that this election. (me, i wish emigration to canada were easy-peasy.)
eriktrips
Sep. 4th, 2008 03:19 pm (UTC)
you never know; canada could start extending political asylum if worst came to worst. one thing I must do, and I really mean it, is get my passport before the election. I really don't know whether I could get back in to the US as transgendered, but I do want to be able to leave if it starts to look necessary.

I don't really want to change my birth certificate but it may be that a passport will only allow you to "be" the gender you were assigned at birth. there's gotta be an agency in San Francisco that helps gender-non-normative folks to get their passports..
ticktockmary
Sep. 4th, 2008 03:39 pm (UTC)
Passport, never thought about that. Looking online, the biggest thing seems to be legal name change. http://www.nctequality.org/Federal_Documents.asp
Then you can fill out the State Department's name change form (pdf, located on this page at the bottom: http://travel.state.gov/passport/forms/forms_847.html
eriktrips
Sep. 4th, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
yeah I'm sure there will be some sort of bureaucratic holdup with the name change since I did mine by CA common law and have no court orders. however, my SSN is associated with my current name, so I think it won't be a problem in the end. I might have to have some special handling with the non-matching birth certificate though. must look into it.

the other thing is that I've decided to add a middle name. not sure how to negotiate that. common law in CA says if you can provide evidence that you've used a name for five years or more, you can change your driver's license. or that's the way it used to be, anyway. at this point, if I went to court to add the middle name, it could be confusing as to which name I'm officially changing: the old one or the current one.

I've never done things the easy way. well except insofar as for me "easy way" means "talking to as few people as possible" which often translates into the least socially recognized way.
touch_of_gray
Sep. 4th, 2008 04:45 pm (UTC)
Fortunately for us, Aim's mum is a Canadian citizen, as was my (now-deceased) mother, and was Metis as well. Now I had better get the name and gender change underway.

Fortunately WA is forgiving about name changes, and I just plan to change first name to a mere initial. I am rather nervous myself.

As for the grammar nun, she can rap my knuckles, but I ask merely for patience, as a lack of oxygen and the craziness of US politics has my brain addled.

Although I acknowledge the Nation's limitations as a periodical, they too have unearthed some interesting things about our potential talibagenical veep candidate.
eriktrips
Sep. 4th, 2008 11:13 pm (UTC)
I think if you look through recent dark_christian entries you may be able to find some links to Nation articles as well. I don't know the Nation's biggest limitations--I don't read it all that often. white male liberal bias? paranoia? really I don't know. generally when I read them I learn things I did not know.
touch_of_gray
Sep. 4th, 2008 11:26 pm (UTC)
I have been reading that, too. And a few other blogs. She does scare the crap out of me. I didn't grow up with that in my immediate family...but I grew up with a healthy fear and distaste for that, because of their behavior towards my family. I respect what you are doing with reposting what you find. We are doing the

My big thing with the Nation is around class and class biases within the liberal community. To their credit, they try to catch themselves on it, and learn...but again, I greatly admired the tactics of the Piedmont Peace Project and the American Indian Movement, and think a few things could be learned from this...sometimes the overacademic language is a barrier for remarkably intelligent people who a) may not have English as a first language, or b) may not have a formal education.

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